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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Feb 10, 2020 17:31:19 GMT -6
Here is what we have determined
We are going to use a AB/IP Minimum for 2020. Those numbers will be 50 AB/10 IP PER WEEK.
Penalty: -Step 1: Warning provided via PM. -Step 2: Warning provided via PM. -Step 3: Loss of 1st Rd pick -Step 4: Loss of 2nd Rd pick -Step 5: Loss of 3rd Rd pick
After 2020 we will see how it worked and determine if we need to add some kind of roster requirement in addition to minimums used in 2020. There will be nothing set on fantrax we will check at end of each weeks matchups to see if anyone did not meet the requirements. Anyone who did we will follow the penalty steps.
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Post by TJ (former White Sox) on Feb 12, 2020 18:41:00 GMT -6
One penalty or two if an owner misses both in the same week?
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Feb 12, 2020 18:52:21 GMT -6
One penalty or two if an owner misses both in the same week? Its one penalty. If you miss either AB or IP you get a penalty for that week. You have to hit both marks each week to not get a penalty.
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Post by Brew Crew GM - Tyler on Feb 14, 2020 14:36:49 GMT -6
If they don't meet the requirements will it forfeit the ratio categories (AVG, OPB, ERA, WHIP) automatically?
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Post by Phillies GM (Keith) on Feb 14, 2020 14:45:41 GMT -6
If they don't meet the requirements will it forfeit the ratio categories (AVG, OPB, ERA, WHIP) automatically? This is affecting teams that are TRYING to lose ratios (or super lazy owners maybe). So if they forfeit rates, that "helps" the tanking teams.
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Post by Brew Crew GM - Tyler on Feb 14, 2020 15:02:13 GMT -6
It doesn’t help them at all if they lose their picks. But I’m more worried about them getting easy wins against teams that are actually trying to compete. I think the penalty of losing the pick far outweighs the benefit of forfeiting the category in a week.
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Post by Phillies GM (Keith) on Feb 14, 2020 15:09:00 GMT -6
Easy losses you mean, not easy wins.
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Post by Phillies GM (Keith) on Feb 14, 2020 15:22:50 GMT -6
Let's say you are right and some weeks there are lazy or overly injured (non tanking) owners that fall short of the mins. And let's say they have 8 innings pitched that week with a 3.58 ERA and 1.23 WHIP and their opponent who is trying hard and has a good team has a 5.24 ERA and 1.44 WHIP that week. What result do you think is fair in terms of category wins and losses for that week? To just give the 5.24 ERA/1.44 WHIP team too wins despite the bad showing? That seems wrong. Yes, another scenario could be like 1.00 ERA and 1.00 WHIP in 8 innings vs 2.12 ERA and 1.04 WHIP in 50 innings for the competitive opponent, but I don't think we can figure out which scenario will be the case and rewarding a team that has a poor ERA/WHIP with two extra wins seems worse than the opposite case.
The mins should pretty rarely be missed anyway and I would imagine any team that ends up coming short a lot of weeks would probably be on the chopping block in terms of ownership here, unless there is some kind of serious excuse.
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Post by Phillies GM (Keith) on Feb 14, 2020 15:25:08 GMT -6
One thing that we do need to seriously address is already traded picks. The rule should read that it is a team's next untraded 1st (or 2nd/3rd) pick that is lost. And as soon as an owner misses the mins 3 times, that pick should be immediately forfeited. We should clarify which picks will be lost in the first place. I'd imagine it would be the picks in the following season by default (unless already traded). But it should be clarified.
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Post by Brew Crew GM - Tyler on Feb 14, 2020 20:08:07 GMT -6
Let's say you are right and some weeks there are lazy or overly injured (non tanking) owners that fall short of the mins. And let's say they have 8 innings pitched that week with a 3.58 ERA and 1.23 WHIP and their opponent who is trying hard and has a good team has a 5.24 ERA and 1.44 WHIP that week. What result do you think is fair in terms of category wins and losses for that week? To just give the 5.24 ERA/1.44 WHIP team too wins despite the bad showing? That seems wrong. Yes, another scenario could be like 1.00 ERA and 1.00 WHIP in 8 innings vs 2.12 ERA and 1.04 WHIP in 50 innings for the competitive opponent, but I don't think we can figure out which scenario will be the case and rewarding a team that has a poor ERA/WHIP with two extra wins seems worse than the opposite case. The mins should pretty rarely be missed anyway and I would imagine any team that ends up coming short a lot of weeks would probably be on the chopping block in terms of ownership here, unless there is some kind of serious excuse. Yes that's exactly what I think should happen. You miss the mins you lose the categories. I feel like that's the only fair way to do it. One bad start can tank your ratios and having someone get one good start or a few innings out of a reliever shouldn't get the win over them. As you said 10 IP is a super easy min to hit so it shouldn't be a big issue. But to me they should definitely lose those categories.
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Feb 14, 2020 20:29:48 GMT -6
We aren't going to go in and adjust categories/standings. If you are really concerned about 1-2 cats I don't know what to do say. We have penalties for teams who don't meet the mins. We are not going to go beyond that in 2020.
As has been stated we will re-look at things after this year and see if/what adjustments need to be made.
As for other stuff mentioned we will discuss.
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Post by Brew Crew GM - Tyler on Feb 14, 2020 20:32:55 GMT -6
I know on ESPN the categories are auto losses if the mins aren't met. Not something you have to manually override. I can't imagine Fantrax not having a similar mechanic.
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Feb 14, 2020 20:44:09 GMT -6
I know on ESPN the categories are auto losses if the mins aren't met. Not something you have to manually override. I can't imagine Fantrax not having a similar mechanic. That was not part of the rule discussion we aren't just going to add it after the fact. We said what the penalties were if teams wanted others they should have stated so not waited until after the vote was done and then wanted things changed. That isn't fair either. EDIT: I did find on fantrax where its allowed but that does not change that it was not part of the vote nor did anyone ask for that to be included with penalties.
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Post by Brew Crew GM - Tyler on Feb 14, 2020 20:49:30 GMT -6
To me this is a totally different rule that doesn't pertain to tanking and without minimums it wouldnt apply anyway. But now that we have minimums I think its something that should be discussed. If that's not this year then so be it but next year it should definitely be discussed. My original question was to clarify because this is how it has been done in every league with mins I've ever been in.
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Feb 14, 2020 21:12:59 GMT -6
To me this is a totally different rule that doesn't pertain to tanking and without minimums it wouldnt apply anyway. But now that we have minimums I think its something that should be discussed. If that's not this year then so be it but next year it should definitely be discussed. My original question was to clarify because this is how it has been done in every league with mins I've ever been in. I don't agree on some of that but I am sure one single person.
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