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Post by ex-Giants GM (Paul) on Oct 29, 2013 21:52:15 GMT -6
you know what to do
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 16:50:44 GMT -6
How are we going to let you know what players we want to resign?
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Post by rock30 (Cardinals GM) on Jan 7, 2014 23:52:57 GMT -6
When you post your fa's in the free agency thread type will re-sign or possible re-sign beside the persons name.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 9:39:24 GMT -6
When and where do we send the contract offers? On the board or by private message to Admin?
Thanks, Rick
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Post by rock30 (Cardinals GM) on Jan 27, 2014 9:50:24 GMT -6
In this forum. In player gets a seperate thread.
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Post by White Sox GM (Jon) on Feb 13, 2014 15:20:30 GMT -6
Hey guys, I wanted to bring something up for discussion in regards to the new re-sign rule. I'm wondering if we can find some way to rework the players that were already re-signed last year before this new rule change. In terms of team construction and planning it's a pretty major change in strategy IMO. For example, I'd been planning my team with 4-5 re-signs in each 5 year window. Now that we only have 4 re-sign roster spots total, the slots are a much more valuable. Not sure if others are in the same boat, but that would definitely have effected my re-sign of Quentin for example. I still would've re-signed him, but likely for only 3 years instead of tying up my fourth slot for an extra two years in his 34-35 y/o seasons.
Not sure there's any clean way to do a one time fix to adjust last year's re-signs, but a couple options I thought of briefly would be to propose the re-signs again but not count against this year's two re-sign cap. Propose again, not count against the cap, and give 2 year min 4 year max (subtract last year from the re-sign). Or leave currently signed contracts but not count them against the 4 re-sign roster spot limit. Or release to FA this year if you don't want them counting against your 4 slots.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Feb 15, 2014 14:52:37 GMT -6
Juju Hey guys, I wanted to bring something up for discussion in regards to the new re-sign rule. I'm wondering if we can find some way to rework the players that were already re-signed last year before this new rule change. In terms of team construction and planning it's a pretty major change in strategy IMO. For example, I'd been planning my team with 4-5 re-signs in each 5 year window. Now that we only have 4 re-sign roster spots total, the slots are a much more valuable. Not sure if others are in the same boat, but that would definitely have effected my re-sign of Quentin for example. I still would've re-signed him, but likely for only 3 years instead of tying up my fourth slot for an extra two years in his 34-35 y/o seasons. Not sure there's any clean way to do a one time fix to adjust last year's re-signs, but a couple options I thought of briefly would be to propose the re-signs again but not count against this year's two re-sign cap. Propose again, not count against the cap, and give 2 year min 4 year max (subtract last year from the re-sign). Or leave currently signed contracts but not count them against the 4 re-sign roster spot limit. Or release to FA this year if you don't want them counting against your 4 slots. Anyway, what do you guys think? Not sure I see an issue since you can now trade them after 1-year. You actually have MORE options now not less. No rule is perfect but the new rule will work better before you would of had a 3-year no trade on Quentin and been unable to move him. Its all strategy anyway. I mean its been a month this could have been brought up before re-sign was set to end tomorrow its a bit late. Just my .02 on it I am just one opinion. Sent from my SPH-L710 using proboards
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Post by White Sox GM (Jon) on Feb 15, 2014 18:18:12 GMT -6
Ya, I would've brought it up earlier but didn't really have time to give the rule a whole lot of thought until I started digging into this league again during re-signs.
Main issue is I think it's actually LESS options though, sure you can trade them now in year 2 and 3, but it's kind of limited trade options. With the re-sign tag following them and only 4 spots per team, you're going to be pretty limited in who you can actually trade with. I'd guess by next year most teams are going to have filled most if not all of their slots. So you either have very few that have an open slot, or have to include one of their re-signed players which isn't going to fit well a lot of times. Then years 4-5 you have less options. With the 3 year NTC at least you knew in years 4-5 it was open game, you could work out any trade possible. But now years 2-5 you're going to have pretty limited trade partners.
Anyway, it's ok, I can adjust my strategy, just wanted to bring it up for discussion since it's a pretty significant change in strategy IMO. But it seems I'm the only one that thinks it's a negative change so it's not a huge deal.
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Feb 15, 2014 18:28:20 GMT -6
Just hard to change it at this point it was posted a month ago and we are one day away from the end of the re-sign period.
Which does not mean we can not still look at it but in the other league there have already been a few trades involving re-signed players. Personally I would have never given Quentin a 5-yr deal to begin with under any rules LOL.
We (the TAB) will always look at any issues brought up as we want this to be as fair and fun as possible.
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Post by White Sox GM (Jon) on Feb 15, 2014 18:39:30 GMT -6
Ya... no worries, I'll adjust.
Under the old rules it would have been fine. Could have found something, even if a low to no level prospect, for him in year 4 or 5 and get a few useful years first. Not now though, I'm screwed lol. If I'd known the rules would end up like this I would have only given him 3.
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Post by morf1980 (Rays GM) on Feb 1, 2017 13:27:06 GMT -6
I'm not on TAB, but one thing I found is you can't look at career stats. Need to look at previous season and see how that compares to a guy with similar stats and age the year before he was resigned. As an example, Trumbo could have had an awful career, but hitting 47 HR while hitting .250 is his value, not what he did the previous 10 years. You can account for those years somewhat if the guy had a career year. Sort of like real life in that if a guy has an awesome year in a contract year that's never good for a team.
Again, not saying anything about your offer. Just what I saw last year. You see I just offered 9 mill per to Martinez. Cain got 9 mill last year. Giancarlo Stanton hit 26hr and hit .265 before being resigned for 11 mill. Granted, he's much younger so have to take that into account, but Trumbo is only 31 and coming off a year he led the majors in HR
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Post by stevew (MARLINS GM) on Feb 5, 2017 12:17:12 GMT -6
I'm probably not supposed to comment on this, but I got blasted about using a comp from 2012, but unless I read it wrong, a comp from 2012 is listed above. And secondly, if McCann was given $9M over 5 years at age 30, how is it justified to offer Perez a $8M offer over 4 years at age 26, especially when their 3 year averages prior to resign are almost identical?
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Feb 5, 2017 12:38:46 GMT -6
I'm probably not supposed to comment on this, but I got blasted about using a comp from 2012, but unless I read it wrong, a comp from 2012 is listed above. And secondly, if McCann was given $9M over 5 years at age 30, how is it justified to offer Perez a $8M offer over 4 years at age 26, especially when their 3 year averages prior to resign are almost identical? You ONLY used a 2012 Comp your entire argument was based on Carlos Quentin I listed 4 others catchers i didn't just list one guy and say this was my basis. Your other arguemt was using ESPN Keeper Rankings or something for a league that uses fantrax. I can replace Montero with Lucroy its the same argument anyway. You actually allowed me to change my argument and make it maybe better anyway. And this is being moved to discussion thread this is only for the person making offer and the TABs to post.
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Post by stevew (MARLINS GM) on Feb 5, 2017 12:51:28 GMT -6
I only used the Quentin comp because per Baseball Reference, they had almost identical stat lines through age 30 season. I only used the ESPN keeper rankings to rebuff other comps being used when I was told that anything pre-rule change was garbage and shouldn't be considered.
And that was only 1/2 of my commentary, the other 1/2 was wondering how an offer of $1M less for 1 year less than McCann got when McCann was 4 years old at the time and their 3 year averages prior to resign year were almost identical. Based on the TAB logic that I have read, if that were the case, I would expect an offer greater than McCann since he's 4 years younger AND one year less of a contract.
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Feb 5, 2017 12:59:13 GMT -6
I only used the Quentin comp because per Baseball Reference, they had almost identical stat lines through age 30 season. I only used the ESPN keeper rankings to rebuff other comps being used when I was told that anything pre-rule change was garbage and shouldn't be considered. And that was only 1/2 of my commentary, the other 1/2 was wondering how an offer of $1M less for 1 year less than McCann got when McCann was 4 years old at the time and their 3 year averages prior to resign year were almost identical. Based on the TAB logic that I have read, if that were the case, I would expect an offer greater than McCann since he's 4 years younger AND one year less of a contract. Little funny that your only commenting because your bitter at me (and I guess rest of TAB) for Trumbo but it is what it is. If someone thinks they have some kind of straight line system that is better go for it we do the best we can no one has to re-sign anyone they can just send them to FA and bid against 27 other teams Trumbo just went for $15+ mil in another league for 4-yrs in open bidding. And we get 3 attempts for a reason too sometimes its take 1 attempt, 2nd attempts or all 3 to get a deal approved.
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