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Post by morf1980 (Rays GM) on Jan 4, 2017 11:46:46 GMT -6
Rays Send:
SP Julio Teheran 300,000 (2018)
SP Preston Morrison CHC
OF Zacrey Law TB
OF Pedro Diaz TB
TB 2018 1st FYPD
Tigers Send:
1B Josh Bell PIT
P Matt Hall DET
Rays agree. After acquiring Fulmer and Wheeler, I could deal a SP and my team needs a 1B. I feel like I'm giving up a lot since Teheran is only a year older than Bell and more proven, but Bell has big upside and can be hard to find a 1B.
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Post by Vinny (ex-TigersGM) on Jan 4, 2017 11:53:23 GMT -6
Rays Send: SP Julio Teheran 300,000 (2018) SP Preston Morrison CHC OF Zacrey Law TB OF Pedro Diaz TB TB 2018 1st Tigers Send: 1B Josh Bell PIT P Matt Hall DET Rays agree. After acquiring Fulmer and Wheeler, I could deal a SP and my team needs a 1B. I feel like I'm giving up a lot since Teheran is only a year older than Bell and more proven, but Bell has big upside and can be hard to find a 1B. Tigers Accept. I like the upside of the prospects along with getting a very quality pitcher. Bell and Hall both have very high upside as well, but with a team ready to compete, sometimes you can't keep every prospect. |
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Post by Vinny (ex-TigersGM) on Jan 5, 2017 11:17:36 GMT -6
TAB?
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Post by Dodgers GM (Jerry) on Jan 5, 2017 12:34:42 GMT -6
I was hoping another TAB would weigh in first, but since they have not I will. I am struggling to approve this trade, I do not think this is a league altering trade but I can't justify it. I will say my say and wait to approve or veto as I hate to veto any trades.
I might see a trade where Bell is worth Teheran (SP1 for Atl 2017) and possibly 1 prospect as Bell is projected to start at 1B in 2017 for PIT.
I can't see Matt Hall, the #22 prospect for Detroit being worth a number 1 pick and 2 prospects.
I can easily approve this if the pick or a prospect or 2 is dropped and I will listen to the other LM's notes before deciding my vote.
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Post by morf1980 (Rays GM) on Jan 5, 2017 12:50:58 GMT -6
I understand where you're coming from.
But I also know that it can be Very hard to find a decent 1B in this league. Look how much a guy like Santana brought in FA last year! Couple that with the fact that Bell played well in his brief stint last year and is a legit rookie of the year candidate and this is where we got.
Lots of negotiations after he asked me about Teheran, but I feel like I addressed my teams biggest weakness of no 1B.
I mainly looked at it as trading Teheran and my 1st for Bell. The rest was to get the deal done. I personally felt adding Morrison was a high price and initially had asked for Zac Houston back instead of Matt Hall. But Tigers was pretty specific about what he needed. I didn't feel I could fill 1B better. If Bell lives up to expectations then my team will be better.
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Post by White Sox GM (Jon) on Jan 5, 2017 12:51:02 GMT -6
I had to think about this one too, seems like a good deal for Tigers if he doesn't need the 1B. Personally, I think Bell is legit and a good to great 1B on a rookie contract will only get more valuable if he plays well over the full year. So i see it as something like:
Teheran + pick (probably really late 1st rd if anything like last year) + either Law or Diaz for Bell. A long rookie contract for Bell is really valuable IMO, Teheran may or may not be worth extending in two years, so the extra pieces help balance the value.
And then Morrison for Hall (both are similar in stats/age/level). Leaving either Law or Diaz as an extra piece to make it work. If it took an extra piece to make it work for one side, I think that's ok, Diaz is 17 and Law is 19; these guys are a long ways off if they make it to MLB at all. So they don't look like deal breakers at this point. Sometimes you gotta throw in a little extra special sauce to entice the other side.
That's how I see it anyway, and seems ok to me.
Approval #1
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Post by morf1980 (Rays GM) on Jan 5, 2017 12:52:33 GMT -6
I had to think about this one too, seems like a good deal for Tigers if he doesn't need the 1B. Personally, I think Bell is legit and a good to great 1B on a rookie contract will only get more valuable if he plays well over the full year. So i see it as something like: Teheran + pick (probably really late 1st rd if anything like last year) + either Law or Diaz for Bell. A long rookie contract for Bell is really valuable IMO, Teheran may or may not be worth extending in two years, so the extra pieces help balance the value. And then Morrison for Hall (both are similar in stats/age/level). Leaving either Law or Diaz as an extra piece to make it work. If it took an extra piece to make it work for one side, I think that's ok, Diaz is 17 and Law is 19; these guys are a long ways off if they make it to MLB at all. So they don't look like deal breakers at this point. Sometimes you gotta throw in a little extra special sauce to entice the other side. That's how I see it anyway, and seems ok to me. Approval #1 Spot on anslysis. I had to add sauce lol |
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Jan 5, 2017 13:56:20 GMT -6
Helpful if teams post all correct info i have no idea what draft that pick is in FYPD or DD?
And it's been only 1 day since posted so patience is helpful too.
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Post by morf1980 (Rays GM) on Jan 5, 2017 14:18:58 GMT -6
Sorry. I assumed if I listed a round it had to be the FYPD since there are no rounds in DD. My bad. Listed it now.
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Jan 5, 2017 14:20:22 GMT -6
Sorry. I assumed if I listed a round it had to be the FYPD since there are no rounds in DD. My bad. Listed it now. Just helps to have all the info listed so we are not left assuming anything b/c that usually does not end well. |
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Post by morf1980 (Rays GM) on Jan 5, 2017 14:23:38 GMT -6
Yep. Makes sense. I tried to be detailed. Missed the pick definition.
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Post by Vinny (ex-TigersGM) on Jan 5, 2017 15:03:19 GMT -6
Sorry. I assumed if I listed a round it had to be the FYPD since there are no rounds in DD. My bad. Listed it now. Yeah, and I saw that a trade posted after ours had already went through, so I wanted to make sure everyone saw it. |
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Post by Vinny (ex-TigersGM) on Jan 5, 2017 15:07:46 GMT -6
I had to think about this one too, seems like a good deal for Tigers if he doesn't need the 1B. Personally, I think Bell is legit and a good to great 1B on a rookie contract will only get more valuable if he plays well over the full year. So i see it as something like: Teheran + pick (probably really late 1st rd if anything like last year) + either Law or Diaz for Bell. A long rookie contract for Bell is really valuable IMO, Teheran may or may not be worth extending in two years, so the extra pieces help balance the value. And then Morrison for Hall (both are similar in stats/age/level). Leaving either Law or Diaz as an extra piece to make it work. If it took an extra piece to make it work for one side, I think that's ok, Diaz is 17 and Law is 19; these guys are a long ways off if they make it to MLB at all. So they don't look like deal breakers at this point. Sometimes you gotta throw in a little extra special sauce to entice the other side. That's how I see it anyway, and seems ok to me. Approval #1 Spot on anslysis. I had to add sauce lol NEVER forget the sauce ššš |
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Post by Rockies GM (Joey) on Jan 5, 2017 17:05:42 GMT -6
So basically it comes down to Julio Teheran + 2018 1st RD FYPD for Josh Bell.
I don't know if this is really a smart deal for Tigers while he does have Edwin Encarnacion at 1B he is signed until 2018 just like Julio Teheran. I think he could have acq a SP without having to give up someone like Josh Bell. But if you believe that the break-out of Eugenio Suarez is for real then you were likely going to have to deal someone whether it was EE, Nick C, Eugenio Suarez or here Josh Bell. I probably would have attempted to move Nick C. or Suarez over Bell personally.
I do like Preston Morrison more than Matt Hall. Other two specs who knows Law doesn't look like anything special and Diaz is very raw/young.
Approval #2
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Post by PadresGM on Jan 5, 2017 20:19:39 GMT -6
Rays, I actually meant to send you an offer for one of my 1B's, but by the time I got around to it, I see that you already made this trade. That one is on me for not contacting you sooner.
Anyways, Teheran is a very good pitcher with a career ERA of 3.39. Certainly a #2 starter. Morrison has looked very good in his professional career, but doesn't have too much going for him besides his numbers. I'll say he's a C+/B-. Diaz is a teenager who is very far away, so I say he's a C. Law seems pretty meaningless, so he's a C-. Finally, Rays is taking the gamble that his team will be good and that the value of the pick won't increase. Right now, I'll say it's B/B+ value
In return, Rays is receiving Josh Bell, who looked alright in his Major League debut, but should perform better with more experience (also, because he passed 130 AB, he will have a 2021 contract). I'll admit I'm not the biggest fan of him, but a lot of people like him, so I'll say he's B+ value, if not more. Finally, Hall looks ok, but he doesn't capture my attention my any means. I guess he's similar enough to Diaz
So, that means this trade is Josh Bell for Julio Teheran, the 1st round pick, Preston Morrison and Law. It's definitely balanced in favor toward Tigers, which is making me wish that I had sent an offer to Rays earlier so I could be the benefactor of Rays desperation for a 1B. I think it's a borderline deal and Rays was more desperate than he should have been for a 1B, but I also can see what there's like in Bell, so I will barely approve
3-0
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